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CD Review - Guns N Roses- Chinese Democracy [Album] Guns N Roses- Chinese Democracy [Album]


Guns N Roses- Chinese Democracy [Album]

Geffen Records

November 20, 2008, 09:03 AM

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It took 15 years and about $20 million to make Chinese Democracy. Considering there are 14 songs on the album, that's over a year and around $1.4 million per track. I heard the singles, so I already know it's not packed full of million dollar songs. But, before I really rip into this album, there is something we need to get out of the way. The name. No, not Chinese Democracy. Guns N Roses. I don't have a problem with the fact that Axl is the only original member in the band. What I do have a problem with is that Axl's ego is so big I'm sure he'd sue the pants off anyone who tried to take credit for any small portion of this album. For that reason, it is not Guns N Roses, it is Axl Rose. Now onto the content of the record (and further evidence that this is actually a solo album).

Let's be honest here, the first 2 singles suck ass. The title track and 'Better' are beyond disappointing even without considering the above math. Fortunately, the two lead singles are deceptively bad. The rest of Chinese Democracy is actually much better and at moments quite surprising in it's innovation. The true beginning to this album is the song 'Street of Dreams,' a borderline ballad that reaches more to classic rock than classic GNR. The next track 'If The World' sees a major deviation from anything Guns N Roses has done before, introducing a funky hip hop vibe into the repertoire with the help of Chris Pitman on synthesizer. This sound doesn't really appear again on the album making the one-off track feel out of place on this particular record. The song is quite good, but I think it could have found a better home than Chinese Democracy. There was talk of Moby being approached to produce this album. He turned it down, but I wonder if there would have been more of this style had he accepted the position.

'There Was a Time' picks up where 'Street of Dreams' left off, and leads in nicely to an instant favorite, 'Catcher in the Rye.' While the best tracks so far teeter on ballads with the slow tempos and orchestral instrumentation, I would take a million pseudo-ballads over the stinking turd that is 'Scraped.' It is truly unfortunate that this horrible song is the first time it actually begins to sound like Guns N Roses. The hard rocking maintains through 'Riad N The Bedouins,' another low point for Chinese Democracy. The song rocks and it's ripe with riffage, but it doesn't have that banging hook that made everyone fall in love with Guns N Roses so many years ago.

I heard rumor that the song 'Sorry' features the backing vocals of Sebastian Bach. I hope that was simply a rumor because there are so many vocal layers on this track it is virtually impossible to distinguish one voice from another. The song is slow and dark and Rose does his best Bowie impression, trading in the demon scream for a fake British accent. It's a cool track, but it could be much cooler and by the end of the 6 and a half minutes, I find myself completely bored. 'I.R.S' does little to remedy this, despite having one of the more memorable choruses on the album.

'Madagascar' has Axl teaming up again with Chris Pitman, this time creating a song that sounds like a lost track from the Use Your Illusion sessions. Martin Luther King makes an appearance on the track, adding a whole new dimension to the slow groove and wailing vocals. There is only one song on the album penned solely by Rose, 'This I Love.' If Sebastian Bach were to sing on any GNR song, it should have been this one. While clearly making an attempt to be very intimate, it loses a bit of it's intimacy through overproduction and thousands of vocal layers. There is definitely a cinematic quality to the tune and it is melodically one of the strongest on the album, however the production is a major turn off.

Was Chinese Democracy worth the 15 year wait? Was it worth all of the money spent making it happen? Is it right to call it a Guns N Roses album? I would personally answer 'no' to all of these, but what's done is done. There are a number of songs die-hard fans and passive fans alike will enjoy. Overall it's a bit of a disappointment, but there are definitely some gems if you're willing to give it a chance. It's not a life-changer like Appetite for Destruction, but it's on par with the bands of today. Wait...is that a good thing?

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Controversial review there, but credit where credit is due for trying to focus solely on the music and not all the pomp that has surrounded this release because that really does distract from what you rightly state as some pretty decent tunes here in 'Madagascar' and 'Street of Dreams'.

I would like to think that now Irving Azoff has finally got Axl Rose to let this go that maybe he'll be able to tease some more music out of him and sooner rather than later but seen as these songs have been around for so many years and so much time has been spent on them I'd be surprised if Axl has actually got any other songs in the vault.

As for 'Chinese Democracry' well it is a let down and is way too long and has a terrible prosthetic drum sound that appauls me and way too many guitars and vocal layers but at the end of the day what were we really expecting. Let's just hope Axl doesn't ruin it all by attempting a tour that he won't turn up for again.

Nice review props for your concentration on the tunes.
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According to Sebastian Bach, Chinese Democracy is the first in a trilogy of albums, the last of which is expected in 2012.

Axl Rose hasn't totally lost his musical abilities, so I'm not going to be pessimistic about it. Perhaps this record would make more sense as part of a larger collection. Who knows?

Thanks for the props! I'm a huge GNR fan, so I'll give Axl all the chances in the world, but journalists need to recognize that there are loads of music consumers out there who have NEVER heard of Guns N Roses outside of Guitar Hero and Rock Band. Kids who were born when this album was announced are now getting their driver's license. Infants at the time now drinking and voting and going to war. Must stay objective.


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i like this review.

i'd quite like to just delete Axl Rose off the record, strip it down a bit. And just listen. because istrumentally (i think) its pretty sexy.

because until they started taking a billion years to write a new record guns and roses were just cool on a normal/talented level.


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I've been playing the album over and over today (not a great idea I know0 trying to get more of a grip on it, and I have to be honest it's really growing on me I can see what you mean by young kids now who don't really have the GNR bug we all did really diggin' the album.

I really hope that is now the case.
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I think this album was far too over-rated prior to release and to be perfectly honest living up to the hype this album was getting before it hit the shelves needed to be really bloody fantastic. I agree totally with the review and personally i was quite disapointed with the album. Maybe in another 15 years they'll make up for it.


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NO band is worth $12 million in studio time/whatever else to make an album. I don't even have to listen to it to form that opinion! All that dollar to put an old bike on the cover, too.


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CD Review - My Take on Chinese Democracy My Take on Chinese Democracy

To begin with, the following painfully obvious statement has to be re-iterated. This album has almost nothing whatsoever to do with the Guns N' Roses of old. The name may be the same, as is the singer, but that's it. So, as a result, there's obviously no point whatsoever in comparing this to Appetite For Destruction or Use Your Illusion. Think of this as Axl Rose's Democracy if you really must, but there you go - the big whopper, laid out like somebody on the wrong end of an Amir Khan punch. It's time to leave Slash, Izzy, Duff, Steven, Gilby and Matt alone, and concentrate on this line-up of players, and Axl's particular Magnum Opus. Does it create a lasting account of Rose's genius as a songwriter and make that 13-year and 11 million dollar development cycle worthwhile?
In short, No.

In long... Well, it wouldn't be a very useful review if this weren’t explored further, right?

Album opener, title track and first single (Remind you of any other controversial albums of recent years, anyone? Answers on a postcard, or just wait till the end) Chinese Democracy gets things waddling in somewhat an awkward manner, like they had no idea whatsoever how to make it related to the album title in question, but the poor old engineers and producers were determined to crow-bar this crap in somehow. Anyway. It does somewhat take away from the edge of what without that is a functional, if somewhat under whelming rock song. It's not so much a brutal statement of intent so much as a “Are you sure about this?” which considering its' development cycle, is to be expected, but still disappointing.

Virtuoso-happy Shackler's Revenge comes next, with again, no real drive to its Buckethead-saturated riff-play (may I remind you here, that he had quit the band 4 years prior to the album's release. Imagine most bands trying that today - there'd be more lawsuits than dubious addresses of messages in my junk filter - how many Nigerian Generals live in the Philippines, anyway? It boggles the mind). This number at least does keep a more recognisable rhythm to it, but it still does imply it was only included to keep the rock-nuts happy.

Third track Better however, whilst the same song from the 2006 leaked demos, has a lot more of a definite purpose to it. If this were a taste of what the body of this album had in offer, it would've had much more impact. As it is, it's a benchmark - and this is a power ballad. Not to take anything away from that particular song, but it does have the feeling that the Rock and Roll section of the album is very much forced. Had Rose been allowed to write some 14-15 piano-driven ballads, things might have had a very different outcome.

Which brings me neatly to Street Of Dreams, the first of those numbers. The first thing that struck me about this was it sounds really quite similar to the Use Your Illusion ballads, almost like an off-cut from - I'm daring to say it - the old days of a band that's been dead for 13 years. Make your own conclusions, (and to be fair, the modern-day guitar work does dispel a lot of this behind a flurry of high-end distortion and effect trickery) but to me, that just comes across as indecisive, lazy and self-indulgent. Which of course, this album is absolutely full of. If it were any more so, the videos would be full of lap-dancers wearing ginger Axl-wigs, with knots tied in the invisible skirts at awkward angles, while the man himself strutted around on a motorcycle with the tyres on fire.

If The World
seems to have this aimless meandering trick nailed by now, ambling between Latin-influenced acoustic riffs, almost nu-metal style licks and an over-eager percussion department. There Was A Time carries on in a similar vein, trying to decide whether it wants to be an OTT power ballad or something a little heavier, and lands painfully in the middle.

Now, I've made pointers towards the amount of needless recording that's been made on this album, but There Was A Time is the best example by far. I am not kidding when the recording credits list 6 guitarists (including Herr Rose himself), 2 drummers, 2 bass guitars, and 4 piano/keyboardists. And that's before I list the near half-century of orchestra band-members, arrangers and such-like. I'd hate to see the 30th anniversary tour where they try and get everybody onstage for this one.

Catcher In The Rye follows this confused but eager number with something definitely more geared towards a Rose-specialist ballad. It’s also around this area that an actual sense of musical direction starts to slowly pervert proceedings. I was almost shocked myself when I found this out – okay, sure, so there are parts which could really do with an edit and a trim-down, but you can actually tell everyone’s got the right idea, which is a blessed relief (and also stops your mind wandering to what’s going on with Velvet Revolver these days).

Scraped also has that definite sense of “We know what we’re doing”, to prove lightning and logic really can strike twice in Axl’s world. The lyrics are somewhat dreadful, it has to be said, but the riffs are nice in a heavy fashion, and conveniently brought to the fore. It does somewhat signal that a renaissance is beginning to emerge in the record, that the various impressively diverse parts of the band are actually starting to fall into place.

Riad And the Bedouins’ overly long introduction does a lot to completely shatter and then piss on the recently found sense of total immersion, tragically, proving Rose must have just been out of the office that particular week. The song itself is another musically good piece of work. Halfway in between Scraped and Better in terms of pace, it still works. That’s at least 4 worthwhile songs on this album thus far. Four does not make for a stand out record, people, but it does at least make it worth being picked up from the “2 for £10” bins it now lurks in. The self-indulgence is very much king, sadly, with Rose in particular never knowing when the right moment is to shut the hell up, but the signs are encouraging for the next number, Sorry.

In almost hilariously appropriate timing, Sorry winds out becoming the worst song on the album. The confused direction has long gone to chase its own tail, but it just comes across as lazy and arrogant this time. The line “What were you thinking?” almost becomes rhetorical. I know this is Rose retorting to his critics, but Christ, you’re not supposed to shut them up with Russian Roulette! It ambles with no direction, but as said before, this is more impatience than any sense of bemusement.

When I.R.S. kicks in, it’s a welcome sound to hear. Not just because Sorry is over, but also because this is a genuinely good song. Had either Buckcherry or Papa Roach released this song as a single, it’d be all over the charts – it’s insanely catchy, the lyrics work, the solos add to the song, rather than distract from it. The more low-key bridge before Rose’s main rant serves to build up tension in a great way. One of the highlights of this record, and if you can find a download, give it a whack.

Madagascar, however, sadly does bring things back to the bad old days of laziness and arrogance of Sorry, but it is a slightly more interesting number than the aforementioned. A special mention should be made of the amount of Martin Luther King’s speeches that are used; he should be given a posthumous lyrical credit. Another re-appearance of the Use Your Illusion ghosts as well, as anyone who remembers the opening to Civil War will feel a combination of déjà vu and a stutter the late Ronnie Barker’s Arkwright would be embarrassed of.

The album’s final stand out moment, This I Love was originally licensed for a film released in the late 1990’s, but that does not take away from the sheer beauty of it. The combination of Rose’s very sincere vocals and the various pianos used tugs at your heart-strings like an over enthusiastic puppeteer trying to make his dog dance. And who-ever does the solo out of Finck and Bumblefoot – I owe you a pint, as it’s a superb job, that again compliments very well the low-key but very sincere feelings of the song. In fact, even though I promised I wouldn’t do this, I’d honestly rank this very favourably amongst Don’t Cry and November Rain. Okay, Axl. You win this round, but 1 gorgeous song does not a classic album make, and we’ve still one more song to dissect like a ninja with a Chainsaw.

Perhaps my previous sentence wasn’t the best choice as the final song is called Prostitute, but what the hell, I liked the imagery. This is another song that reeks of Rose’s self-indulgent side, and is a fitting sequel to the album’s stand out moment. It’s another workable song – not particularly remarkable in its’ own right, but by all means it’s easy on the ears, gets the feet tapping and ultimately serves as a fitting 5-minute taste of the entire album – mostly okay but uninspiring, with some real nice moments, but some serious dross to balance them out.

Also, if you do wind up buying the album, I will say this much. The album art is really nice – intricate paintings, well laid out, and how many bands have 4 guitarists credited as part of the line-up? Especially when one of them quit 4 years before, and at the time, Robin Finck had gone on holiday with his old school buddies at NiN.

To do the final sum-up of the last mountain of words – I’m glad I waited until the price dropped. It’s a serviceable album; the diversity only really coming together after somebody slapped them about a bit at half time, rather like a failing football team. After 13 years development and 11 million dollars, all this album has proved is that Axl Rose is a bit of an American Idiot. Which we knew to start with, which may sounds harsh but is also fair. Now, could you guys Please not take so damn long with the next record?


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